Love and forgiveness yes but also justice. Not vengeance but there must be the imposition of the law. A terrible crime has been committed lawful punishment must ensue.
“ for the crime of talking to people” I think that’s an over simplification. Whilst I appreciate that Kirk professed to be a Christian, he made his money & name from targeting minorities, and online intimidation & harassment. He was unfortunately a victim of a culture that he himself was complicit in creating.
Reactions to his death have deepened divisions when there was an opportunity for discussion.
I can’t imagined how horrific this whole thing must be for his family.
"What exactly does it say about our public discourse when a man as intelligent and well-informed as Alastair Campbell is perfectly content to lazily caricature a deceased political opponent in the most unsympathetic of lights?"
Perhaps we are living in Rome "Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” - John 18:38
Relativism reigns the age in the hearts and minds of men. It appears Pilate thought it did in his age. It was once said that Pan is dead symbolic of Christianity having killed off the pagan gods of old. Perhaps, they have revived almost nearing the Antichrist who was described as was, is not and is yet to come in opposition to Jesus who was, is and always will be. Is the world waiting for their fallen solution (CCC 675-677) or will the hearts and minds of mankind have a Jonah moment and return to Christ Jesus, Lord of Lords, King of Kings? Maranatha
Campbell must be two of the worst possible examples of the current lack of humanity and morality. (Fry is another one).
The reaction of the organisers of “Turning Point” in their statement that they will not forgive or forget is regrettable but perhaps forgivable in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy of the assassination of Kirk.
Also, should the perpetrator be forgiven if he shows no remorse?
Forgiveness is not dependent on the remorse of the person who has committed the offence, thats what makes it so radical and supernatural- it’s nigh on impossible to do without God
In the sacrament of Confession (Reconciliation ) the priest gives absolution to those who have remorse.
Of course forgiveness is dependent the remorse of the perpetrator. God gave humanity free will, if the perpetrator does not have remorse God is not going to step in and force it!
There is a contrast between unconditional love and keeping safe from those who don't possess it. You can love even Hitler unconditionally yet that doesn't mean you do not stop from doing harm even if it means stopping a murderer by killing him as a last option to prevent further harm. Yet, in our hearts we must always be open to God's mercy which endures forever.
When ask how many times we should forgive Jesus said 7x70 which think means forever if you take it as a prophetic representation of Daniel's 70 weeks into eternity.
I am arguing that it is dependent on remorse from the perpetrator of the offence,
For instance, I have no thoughts of forgiveness for the r**p gangs who have ruined and literally destroyed the lives of thousands of girls and fewer, but still a sizeable number of, boys.
Thank you Clement. We need reminders, seven times daily, that the battle is spiritual. The moment we forget, we reach for our guns.
Beautiful piece, thank you.
Love and forgiveness yes but also justice. Not vengeance but there must be the imposition of the law. A terrible crime has been committed lawful punishment must ensue.
“ for the crime of talking to people” I think that’s an over simplification. Whilst I appreciate that Kirk professed to be a Christian, he made his money & name from targeting minorities, and online intimidation & harassment. He was unfortunately a victim of a culture that he himself was complicit in creating.
Reactions to his death have deepened divisions when there was an opportunity for discussion.
I can’t imagined how horrific this whole thing must be for his family.
Thanks for your very helpful article
"What exactly does it say about our public discourse when a man as intelligent and well-informed as Alastair Campbell is perfectly content to lazily caricature a deceased political opponent in the most unsympathetic of lights?"
Perhaps we are living in Rome "Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” - John 18:38
Relativism reigns the age in the hearts and minds of men. It appears Pilate thought it did in his age. It was once said that Pan is dead symbolic of Christianity having killed off the pagan gods of old. Perhaps, they have revived almost nearing the Antichrist who was described as was, is not and is yet to come in opposition to Jesus who was, is and always will be. Is the world waiting for their fallen solution (CCC 675-677) or will the hearts and minds of mankind have a Jonah moment and return to Christ Jesus, Lord of Lords, King of Kings? Maranatha
Thank you Mr Harrold. Superb.
Well said.
Abaronye and Alistair
Campbell must be two of the worst possible examples of the current lack of humanity and morality. (Fry is another one).
The reaction of the organisers of “Turning Point” in their statement that they will not forgive or forget is regrettable but perhaps forgivable in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy of the assassination of Kirk.
Also, should the perpetrator be forgiven if he shows no remorse?
Forgiveness is not dependent on the remorse of the person who has committed the offence, thats what makes it so radical and supernatural- it’s nigh on impossible to do without God
In the sacrament of Confession (Reconciliation ) the priest gives absolution to those who have remorse.
Of course forgiveness is dependent the remorse of the perpetrator. God gave humanity free will, if the perpetrator does not have remorse God is not going to step in and force it!
I think humanly speaking we can forgive others, who are not sorry or remorseful
Why? They will probably do it again!
There is a contrast between unconditional love and keeping safe from those who don't possess it. You can love even Hitler unconditionally yet that doesn't mean you do not stop from doing harm even if it means stopping a murderer by killing him as a last option to prevent further harm. Yet, in our hearts we must always be open to God's mercy which endures forever.
When ask how many times we should forgive Jesus said 7x70 which think means forever if you take it as a prophetic representation of Daniel's 70 weeks into eternity.
I have not argued for lack of forgiveness.
I am arguing that it is dependent on remorse from the perpetrator of the offence,
For instance, I have no thoughts of forgiveness for the r**p gangs who have ruined and literally destroyed the lives of thousands of girls and fewer, but still a sizeable number of, boys.
The priest in confession can withhold absolution if there is no remorse.
The penitent says at the end “Oh my God I am very sorry that I have sinned against You….”
That suggests verbal remorse at least. It is between God and the penitent to know if it is true remorse.
I don’t believe I have the right to forgive on behalf of someone else.