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HelenWeekes's avatar

Great interview and article by Katherine. We also need to understand the control media and certainly music moguls have over their artists and the circles they move in, these are also often into the occult. You only have to look at recent popular music artists stage performances which are littered with occult references and symbolism.

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Erol J Hosdil's avatar

This almost brought me to tears.

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Martin Bennett's avatar

Your 'rightful order' puzzles me. Adam and Eve were created equal - it was only when we humans turned away from God and tried to go it alone that woman became subservient. And when Jesus said 'It isn't lawful to divorce', he went back to the beginning where they were equal to counter the patriarchal practice that allowed men to so easily 'put aside' women in divorce - but they weren't allowed to divorce men. Inequality (the hierarchy in the household that you hold up) is a distortion of how we were made.

Perhaps not using the sweeping generalisation of 'feminism' as though all feminist thought was the same, would be worth considering?

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Katherine Bennett's avatar

My views on feminism are considered. Does equal mean the same? Do you accept hierarchy? Did scripture get it wrong when it says ‘wives submit to your husbands?’

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Martin Bennett's avatar

Thank you for replying. I'm sure your views on feminism are considered, though you haven't actually responded to my scriptural points from New and Old Testament. Equal does not mean the same - I'm not sure where I implied that in talking about hierarchy. Yes I do believe in hierarchy ('You call me Lord and Master and rightly so' ), and I accept the authority of the Church. When St. Paul said 'wives submit to your husbands', he was talking in a particular time and in a particular culture, and he seemed to unquestioningly accept slaves as ok. Didn't Jesus challenge this in this Sunday's Gospel of Martha and Mary - to allow Mary to sit at his feet as a disciple would have scandalised the good religious Jews, but Jesus wasn't making a 'political' point: he was treating women as God sees them.

PS My point about reading scripture in context does not mean we can pick and choose, nor easily 'make it relevant', but we have to remember that Jesus and Paul weren't a Westernised Catholics. Genesis 19:1-8 is perhaps a clear example of how cultural norms have to be taken into account.

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