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Martel's avatar

Restore does indeed provide a more complete and better thought out response than Reform.

Andrew Q's avatar

I see Restore Britain as the only viable hope under our electoral system. The UK is sliding into a very dark place with the traditional parties proving at best useless and at worst malign. Reform has become a home for failed Conservatives, some directly responsible for the mess we're in, under the showman Mr Farage. That's why the system is demonising (or gas lighting) Reform Britain: they'd rather have anyone than a party truly offering an alternative to the cosy clique of traitors.

Andrew Q's avatar

Sorry, won't let me edit. "That's why the system is demonising (or gas lighting) Restore Britain"

Jim Midgley's avatar

As an American I watch what has happened to England (the UK) with anger and disgust, especially in part because my maternal grandfather was a Yorkshireman who migrated to the U.S. in 1911. The Left is the same wherever it operates, and Starmer is as insane as they come. How bad does it have to get for a civil war to start? Normal English people need to take their country back by the vote, if possible. Too bad you don't have a Second Amendment.

Kevin Molloy's avatar

I feel like I've been on a giant merrygoround this last ten years. Starting off being outraged by the grooming gangs, and that nothing was being done about it. 'You tell them Douglas Murray!' was me about 8 years ago. But something wasn't quite right with all these freedom fighters, they picked their battles. Silent as the grave when Covid came bowling around, and then all of them to a man backed the genocide in Gaza. I started to think the whole thing was a psy op. Media personalities fed good lines to build up a support base, but then the base gets weaponised when whoever is running Douglas Murray needs them to jump.

So I'm not jumping aboard the Rupert Lowe train, we've been here before and it's just misdirection in my view. And Tommy Robinson running round his latest demo with crucifixes after he'd got off the plane from Tel Aviv clinched it. The British people has now been subject to intense propaganda campaigns for at least ten years. We need to step out of it and breathe.

Martin Bennett's avatar

I would like to suggest that your strongly held views on the general hell-hole you seem to think Britain has become is, thank goodness, not widely shared, although the sweeping claims put forward by Restore Britain and the complete absence of care for anyone who is not 'British' fuel the understandable concerns of many of us when we face uncertainty and tensions. Having read their policies in detail, I'm not sure which is most dangerous - that they actually believe what they say about the causes of our problems, or that they are saying what they do to fuel hatred and mistrust as a way to grab power. If they do restore Britain, it won't be to a time of peace and tranquility where all are treated equally - that period never existed. Tolerance and a proper Christian understanding of stewardship for the world and of our responsibility to recognise resources as being for all people, and our gifts and talents not being for our own benefit but to build God's Kingdom would, I think, be the best way to allow the world to continue to evolve. I'm not sure how anyone could say 'Thy Kingdom come' and square that with the 'Let the Old United Kingdom return'.

LouWeazel's avatar

I'm afraid that I find Rupert Lowe's obsession with the restoration of the death penalty to be chilling, dangerous and regressive.

The 'great repeal' idea is to take us back to a position where parliament has even more power (agree that ultimately the ECHR is unconstitutional, but at the moment is one of the only things keeping any kind of check on parliament)- this power that parliament gave themselves following the deceptively named 'Glorious Revolution' which David Starkey seems to admire, but which was a treasonous Dutch coup installing the Prince of Orange (it was a further cementation of Protestantism -but i think this to be a cover - see the series of videos on this on you tube channel Therealmagnacarta1215). The Bill of Rights 1688 (BOR) was a deceptive document which denuded the King and our true constitution which had been confirmed in Magna Carta 1215 - under which the people govern themselves through Trial by Jury (this is the deeper significance of the Trial by Jury and why the state wishes to remove it). The great repeal is resting on an untruth. The BOR and the Coronation Oath Act cemented the dangerous notion of parliamentary supremacy which now emanates as Parliamentary Sovereignty - and which most people believe means that parliament may implement any legislation it likes, and is the reason why we are in the mess that we are.

Here is an excerpt from a longer essay:

"Certainly the restoration of authentic Trial by Jury in all cases is a practical step we can take which will help us align with Natural Law. We need to study Natural law, we need to study the different ideologies of Individualism and Collectivism——the lesson of our time. We need to come to see how Individualism is the Golden Rule, is correct, and then we need to eschew all forms of Collectivism. We need to understand howour true constitution, with authentic Trial by Jury at its heart, is aligned with Natural Law, and is still there, under the centuries of obfuscation, waiting for us to excavate and reclaim it.

Article 39 of Magna Carta is really another expression of the Golden Rule:

“No free man shall be taken or imprisoned, or disseised, or exiled, or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him, nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or [and/‘in other words’] by the law of the land.”

In other words, absent a situation of immediate threat, the only lawful way that we may take away the choices of another: impinge on a man’s free will, or harm him in any way——is by the lawful judgment of a jury of his social equals. Such judgment can only be lawful (aligned with natural law) if the jury is sure that the man has harmed another (taken away the choices of another). Considerations of intent, self-defence, justifications and whether the defendant is deserving of punishment or segregation are all encompassed within the concept of

‘lawful judgement’ here and are made according to conscience.

As with the Golden Rule, the breadth of what is contained within the ostensibly simple expression of Article 39 becomes apparent in any attempt to explain it. So much is implicit within such expressions——inherently understood, but inexplicable in succinct format. This illustrates the impossibility and futility of attempting to legislate for all eventualities.

I have heard senior lawyers scoff at, try to shame almost, those lawyers who would treat the Common Law articles of Magna Carta as scripture. I rather think the shame is on those who do not appreciate that this is hallowed ground, for every time you tear out another piece of the heart and soul of your law tradition, you turn it to system and prime it for the machine."

https://www.lawandalchemy.org/learning/essays/digital-id-is-it-the-hill/

There is more information on commonlawconstitution.org and the you tube channel associated. The website belongs to WIll Keyte, and I would recommend that you speak with him. I think you would really enjoy what he has to say.

adrienneep's avatar

Is Makerfield the only one with Restore Britain on ballot?

Mark Lambert's avatar

It's the only election in England and is only happening because the MP resigned to force a byelection